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Approved Agenda X3T9.2 Meeting #73 December 7-8, 1987 San Diego, CA <Joint Meeting with X3T9.3> 1. Opening Remarks 2. Approval of Agenda 3. Attendance and Membership 3.1 Roll Call of Members in Jeopardy 4. Approval of Minutes - Oct Meeting Saratoga Springs (X3T9.2/87-171) 5. Liaison Reports 5.1 ISO 6. Joint Working Group and/or Project Status Reports 6.1 ESDI <Separate Meetings> 7. Document Distribution 8. Review of Old Action Items 9. Separate Working Group and/or Project Status Reports 9.1 SCSI General Working Group (X3T9.2/87-185) 9.1.1 Should Fast SCSI be included in SCSI-2? 9.1.2 WRITE SAME in SEND DIAGNOSTIC or separate command? 9.1.3 Flexible disk Pin 1 definition (Conflict with X3.80-198X?) (Schlitzkus) [87-115] 9.1.4 Additional commands for target processes (X3T9.2/87-188) 9.1.5 Are initiators required to support RESTORE POINTERS message? 9.1.6 Using 3rd-party reservations to solve the MODE SELECT problems with COPY. 9.1.7 REQUEST SENSE polling. 10. Old Business 10.1 High-Density Connector (9:00 - 10:30 AM Tuesday) 10.2 SEARCH Command Modifications (X3T9.2/87-128 Rev 1 - Paul Nitza) 10.3 Review of SCSI-2 Draft Document (X3T9.2/86-109 Rev 3) 10.4 READ LOG Pages 10.5 CD-ROM Proposal (X3T9.2/87-106) 10.6 Error Recovery Modifications (X3T9.2/87-177 Rev 1) [Spence] 11. New Business 11.1 Review of new documents 11.2 Agenda for San Jose Working Group 11.3 SCSI-3 Project Proposal (SD-3) (X3T9.2/87-193) [Milligan] 11.4 BUSY issue (short vs. long?) [Semenak] 11.5 Proposed SEND DIAGNOSTIC Pages (X3T9.2/87-186) [Spence] 11.6 Federal Information Processing Standards changes [Burr] 12. Review of Action Items 13. Meeting Schedule 13.1 1988 General Working Groups 14. Adjournment Draft Minutes X3T9.2 Meeting #73 December 7-8, 1987 San Diego, CA 1. Opening Remarks John Lohmeyer, the Chairman, called the meeting to order at 9:00 am, Monday December 7, 1987. He thanked the host, Richard Bailly, of Vitro Corporation and Classic Consulting for arranging the comfortable meeting location in sunny California. He also thanked Dave McIntyre of HP for making the last mailing -- it was the largest X3T9.2 mailing in many years and according to Dave, the largest copying job done at their facility. A document from Jim Schuessler of National Semiconductor was added to the mailing by Dave McIntyre at the eleventh hour -- it was the last document prior to the SCSI-2 draft standard and should be numbered X3T9.2/87-195. Each of the attendees introduced themselves and stated their organizational affiliation. The X3T9.2 membership list was circulated to indicate attendance and to make corrections. A paper containing general information on X3T9.2 was distributed to the new attendees. 2. Approval of Agenda The draft agenda was approved with the addition of items 3.1, 10.6, 11.5, and 11.6. 3. Attendance and Membership Membership requirements were reviewed. The Chairman stated that Mr. Michael Fitzpatrick of Prime Computer, Inc. had become a new Principal member since the last plenary meeting. Two new member organizations were added during the meeting: 1) Maxon Systems, Inc. with David L. Scheffey as the Principal and Swami Nathan as the Alternate 2) Data General with Steve Kohalmi as the Principal and Mark Lippitt as the Alternate. Enclosure (1) is the list of attendees at the meeting. Enclosure (2) is the changes to the X3T9.2 membership list and enclosure (3) is the current X3T9.2 membership list. 3.1 Roll Call of Members in Jeopardy The Chairman stated that he had sent jeopardy letters to all representatives of the following organizations: Apple Computer; Connor Peripherals, Inc.; Distributed Logic Corp.; ICL; Intergraph Corp.; Interphase Corp.; Iomega Corp.; MAI Basic Four; Optotech, Inc.; Pansonic Industrial Co.; Pentax Teknologies; Priam Corp.; Ricoh Corporation; and Seagate Technology. The letters indicated that these organizations had failed to attend two of the last three plenary meetings and that their membership would be terminated unless they attended the December plenary meeting. Representatives were present from all of the organizations except: Connor Peripherals, Inc., Optotech, Inc., and Ricoh Corporation. These organizations were terminated (that is, changed to Observer status). 4. Approval of Minutes - Oct Meeting Saratoga Springs (X3T9.2/87-171) The following changes were made: Section 10.2 Add "Stai" after "Jeff" and delete the sentence on "religious issues". Section 11.4 change "have copies" to "have paper copies". The corrected minutes will not be re-distributed, but will be placed on the SCSI bulletin board (316/688-8700). 5. Liaison Reports 5.1 ISO Gene Milligan - The X3 secretariat requested X3T9's recommendations on the X3 position on several proposed international standards. The X3T9 recommendations are as follows. DIS 9314-1 FDDI-PHY: Vote no; Change to yes with recommended changes. DIS 9314-2 FDDI-MAC: Vote yes. DIS 9316 SCSI : Vote yes. DIS 9318 IPI-PHY : Gene was not sure whether this DIS was on the list, but if it was, the recommendation was to vote yes. DIS 9319 IPI-2 DISK: Vote yes. DIS 9320 IPI-3 DISK: Vote yes. There will be an X3 letter ballot. 6. Joint Working Group and/or Project Status Reports 6.1 ESDI There were no negative votes on the X3T9 letter ballot. The current standings as reported by Bill Burr is 11 yes, 0 no, and several not returned ballots. A working group on synchronized spindles met at 7:30 p.m. Monday evening. They developed an appendix describing a standardized method of accomplishing synchronized spindles. X3T9.2 agreed to let X3T9 decide whether to include this appendix in the draft ESDI standard. (Chairman's note: X3T9 decided to include this appendix in ESDI for the public comment period.) Bill Burr also reported the current results of the X3T9 letter ballot on the IPI-2 Tape draft standard: 8 yes, 2 no, several ballots not returned yet. The no vote from NBS stems from the lack of congruence of Sections 1,2, & 3 with the style and format of the rest of the IPI standards. The no vote from EG&G objected to the lack of requirements -- there were very few "shalls". 7. Document Distribution Del Shoemaker described the experimental X3T9 document distribution subscription service to be offered through X3. X3T9 and each of its task groups will have a representative assigned to prepare the distribution documents. The representative will maintain the the distribution list and will be the liaison with the distribution service. The Secretariat will issue invoices, accumulate the funds in escrow, and establish the fee schedule for the year. The new system should be in place by February 1988. All members of X3T9.2 should receive a special mailing describing this new service and explaining the fees involved. The following new documents were distributed at the meeting: Document Doc Date Author Description of Document ------------- -------- --------------- --------------------------------------- X3T9.2/87-131 11/17/87 P. Boulay MODE SELECT Implementations to Support Rev 3 COPY X3T9.2/87-197 11/25/87 J. Lohmeyer SCSI Arbitration Timing Problem X3T9.2/87-198 11/30/87 B. Spence Report on Study of Miniature Shielded Connector Proposals X3T9.2/87-199 12/1/87 B. Spence Further Clarification of SDTR Protocol X3T9.2/87-202 12/7/87 D. Davies MODE SELECT Page 02h, Maximum Burst Size Definition X3T9.2/87-203 12/6/87 G. Floryance LOAD SKIP MASK Command X3T9.2/87-204 12/7/87 R. Lui Comment on MODE SELECT Command X3T9.2/87-205 12/4/87 J. Semenak SCSI REQUEST SENSE Residue X3T9.2/87-206 12/4/87 Harms/Kellogg More than 8 devices per bus for Wide SCSI X3T9.2/87-207 12/3/87 D. Harms Cable B Connector Pin Assignments X3T9.2/87-208 12/2/87 Anderson/Eneboe Write Same capability in SEND/RECEIVE DIAG commands X3T9.2/87-209 11/16/87 Anderson/Eneboe WRITE SAME Command X3T9.2/87-210 12/5/87 P. Boulay LMS First Draft CD-ROM Proposal X3T9.2/87-211 10/25/87 D. Hatch Questionnaire on proposed SCSI-2 .050 centered I/O connector Enclosure (4) is the final 1987 X3T9.2 document register. 8. Review of Old Action Items 8.1 Gene Milligan will prepare a draft SD-3 for SCSI-3. Complete. 8.2 Paul Nitza will draft a note or edit section 6.2.2 Logical Unit Number to add wording to the future direction of the committee concerning this field. Complete 8.3 Jeff Stai will reword section 5.2.2.2 number 9 and 10 to close several holes in soft reset. Complete 8.4 Paul Nitza will reword section 5 to clarify that the initiator cannot send multiple groups of messages during a single MESSAGE OUT phase. Reassigned to L. Lamers 8.5 John Lohmeyer will point out the X3T9.2 concerns on meeting costs to X3T9. Complete. 8.6 Paul Boulay will review the archival vs. update issue for WORM optical media. Carried over. 8.7 Larry Lamers will conduct a CD-ROM training session Tuesday evening during the Orlando working group meeting. Complete. 8.8 Jim Schuessler will consolidate his three documents on Fast SCSI into a detailed proposal on how to modify the appropriate sections of the SCSI-2 draft standard. Complete, Document 87-195. 8.9 Bob Snively will investigate compatibility issues of non-queued targets with queued initiators. Carried Over 8.10 Dal Allan will prepare revision 2.0 of ESDI (X3T9.2/87-105) and will send a copy to Bill Burr for the X3T9 letter ballot. Complete. 8.11 John Lohmeyer will request a letter ballot on forwarding ESDI at the X3T9 meeting. Complete. 8.12 Bob Snively will prepare a proposal on target vs. logical unit addressing. Complete, Document 87-188. 9. Separate Working Group and/or Project Status Reports 9.1 SCSI General Working Group (X3T9.2/87-185) The minutes from the Orlando working group meeting were briefly reviewed. The following items were identified by the working group for plenary attention. 9.1.1 Should Fast SCSI be included in SCSI-2? Document 87-195 addresses the basic concern of having a comprehensive document to review. Jim Schuessler spoke in favor on including Fast SCSI in SCSI-2. Document 87-175 covers the transition issue from slow to fast. There is some sentiment that the assertion/negation periods may be overly restrictive. This discussion is scheduled for the January working group. A straw poll was taken, "How many people feel fast SCSI is worth the work and the delay that it might entail for incorporation into SCSI-2?". 12 in favor, 12 opposed, 13 don't care. 9.1.2 WRITE SAME in SEND DIAGNOSTIC or separate command? Document 87-209, and 87-208 propose the alternatives. The sentiment is in favor of the separate command approach. The working group will review it. A straw poll was taken, "How many favor the separate command approach?". 22 in favor, 2 opposed, 7 don't care. 9.1.3 Flexible disk Pin 1 definition (Conflict with X3.80-198X?) (Schlitzkus) [87-115] The consensus was to incorporate the pin 1 definition, along with an implementors note to the effect that it may not be in accordance with X3.80. Sent to the working group for inclusion into SCSI-2 Rev 4. 9.1.4 Additional commands for target processes (X3T9.2/87-188) The plenary was asked if any additional commands beyond REQUEST SENSE and INQUIRY should be defined for target processes. No additional commands were identified during the plenary meeting. 9.1.5 Are initiators required to support RESTORE POINTERS message? The debate centered on the inability of some initiators to move the data pointer at any arbitrary time. In particular, an initiator that connects between a FIPS 60 channel and SCSI cannot always restore the data pointer unless it contains an arbitrarily large buffer. Target manufacturers, of course, would rather be able to depend on the initiator always being able to accept this message. After a long discussion, several straw polls were taken, "How many people feel that RESTORE POINTERS message should be mandatory for initiators and that they not be allowed to reject it?" 6 in favor, 13 opposed. "How many people want initiators to be able to selectively reject the DISCONNECT message?" 29 in favor, 1 opposed. "How many people want initiators to able to selectively reject the SAVE DATA POINTER message?" 18 in favor, 4 against. Gary Stephens moved and Bill Spence seconded that initiator support of SAVE DATA POINTER, DISCONNECT, and RESTORE POINTERS messages, be changed from mandatory to optional. The motion carried with 19 in favor and 5 opposed. The issue of whether to allow rejection of mandatory messages is remanded to the working group for investigation. 9.1.6 Using 3rd-party reservations to solve the MODE SELECT problems with COPY. Document 87-131 Rev 3 from Paul Boulay was accepted for incorporation into SCSI-2 Rev 4. It was also noted that SCSI-2 Rev 3 has an error on page 9-53 concerning 3rd party reservations. The last sentence on page 9-52 should drop the reference to queued reservations. The working group was assigned the task of reviewing the 3rd party RESERVE/RELEASE wording in the document as it relates to copy management. A question was raised on how does the initiator of the COPY discover the setup (that is, whether the target supports multiple sets of MODE SELECT parameters or not). The working group should also investigate whether this needs to be included in the list of implemented options. 9.1.7 REQUEST SENSE polling. The discussion dealt with whether REQUEST SENSE data is required to be updated/posted without a preceding CHECK CONDITION status. The conclusion of the discussion was that it is permissible for the REQUEST SENSE data to be updated without a preceding CHECK CONDITION status. However, many valid implementations do not update the REQUEST SENSE data except when CHECK CONDITION status is returned. Thus the only universal approach to polling for REQUEST SENSE data is to issue a TEST UNIT READY command and, if CHECK CONDITION status is returned, to then issue a REQUEST SENSE command. An implementors note to this effect should be added to the document. Jim Semenak's proposal on BUSY status (87-192, see 11.4) may relate to this. The editors were asked to fix the problems of which responses (i.e., Sense Keys) are valid for TEST UNIT READY. Bill Spence stated that he is willing to take another pass at it. 10. Old Business 10.1 High-Density Connector (9:00 - 10:30 AM Tuesday) David Hatch of Stewart Stamping Corporation presented the results of a survey his company conducted. Following this he proposed an NXGEN type of connector for consideration by the committee. This connector is similar in concept to the phone jack type connectors (a Jackson plug technology). For a detailed description see document 87-211. A summary of the working group was given by Dal Allan. The miniature ribbon connectors are not "peas in a pod". There is no easy way for the miniature ribbon connectors to change to a compatible type and retain interchange with their existing connector. In addition to the miniature ribbon connectors, there is a pin-and-socket type connector and there is the NXGEN connector, which is not available yet. There are no 64-pin miniature connectors, at present. The next larger standard size is the 68-pin connectors. Folding 0.050 inch flat cable for any of the high-density connectors loses the conductor orientation that existed in the regular connector. This causes real problems for differential systems and may also be a problem for open-collector systems. Changing the pin assignments to fix this problem causes problems with conversion cables to the lower density connectors. This issue needs to be seriously addressed as a systems issue, to make sure that interconnectability is maintained. Dal Allan stated that he believes this problem can be overcome, but more work is need. (If you are confused by all of this, you are not alone!) Gerry Marazas summarized the results of the Monday connector working group meeting. The various manufacturers of micro-ribbon style connectors had defined a schedule for developing a new micro-ribbon connector based on the dimensions of the several submitted designs. This new design very likely would not mate with any of the existing connectors, but it would be "fair" in that no one would have a manufacturing advantage. A schedule was defined for when this connector design could be completed. The completion date for the connector specification would be April 26, 1988 with working group meetings scheduled for February 2, February 22, and March 15. Production working parts would probably not be available until the fourth quarter of 1988, although no manufacturer was ready to commit to an actual date. Bill Spence raised the patent issue again. Gerry responded that the connector design was being done in the public domain with several companies contributing to the design. This should eliminate most of the patent issues. A straw poll was taken on who can "live" with the dates in the proposed schedule: 11 yes, 11 no. The three options discussed by Dal Allan: 1) Put off the choice to SCSI-3. 2) Choose a connector from the currently available ones. 3) Consensus design on a new ribbon-style connector. Bill Spence moved and Jeff Stai seconded that we pick a connector from those currently on the list. The motion carried unanimously. Those connectors deemed "on the list" were: 1) 3M - ribbon style 2) Hirose, T&B, Molex - ribbon style 3) Elco - ribbon style 4) Burndy - ribbon style 5) Amp, Fujitsu, Honda, Hirose, - tab & receptacle style 6) Stewart - telephone style The connector working group could not find any real technical differentiation between these alternatives. Steve Goldman moved that the elimination voting be deferred until the next plenary meeting. Jim McGrath seconded the motion. Bill Spence offered a friendly amendment to have the voting start at 9:00 AM Tuesday. Steve Goldman changed his motion to start the connector discussion at 3:00 p.m. Monday. The revised motion carried, 31 in favor, 0 opposed. (Chairman's note: Please come to the February meeting prepared to vote on this issue. Obviously, the plenary does not feel that much more discussion is warranted.) Gene Milligan moved that the committee request that the connector vendors provide a letter stating that any applicable patents will be made available in accordance with the ANSI patent policy if their connector is chosen. John Lohmeyer seconded the motion. Paul Boulay offered a friendly amendment to request that the letters from the connector vendors also specify when they would be willing to comply the ANSI patent policy. The amendment was accepted. The motion carried, 25 in favor, 0 opposed. John Lohmeyer agreed to make a set of mailing labels for any requesting party to send literature concerning the connector selection to the committee members. 10.2 SEARCH Command Modifications (X3T9.2/87-128 Rev 1 - Paul Nitza) Jeff Stai agreed to take over this item since Paul is no longer able to participate. 10.3 Review of SCSI-2 Draft Document (X3T9.2/86-109 Rev 3) Several errors were identified in Rev 3: 5.2.1 item 1, delete "successfully". 5.2.2.1 item 5, move to soft reset. item 1, delete "uncompleted". 5.5.1 add "OUT" to "RELEASE RECOVERY". 10.4 READ LOG Pages A call was issued for more READ LOG pages to be submitted to the working group. 10.5 CD-ROM Proposal (X3T9.2/87-106 and -210) Jeff Stai, Larry Lamers, and Paul Boulay have been actively working on this. These hope to have a complete proposal available in time for inclusion in SCSI-2. Any other interested parties should contact one of these people. 10.6 Error Recovery Modifications (X3T9.2/87-177 R1) [Spence] Proposal 1. The conflict in REQUEST SENSE / MODE SELECT between the wording of retry counts and algorithms needs to be resolved. Gary Stephens accepted an action item to firm up the wording. Proposal 2. Assigned to the working group. 11. New Business 11.1 Review of new documents 87-197 - SCSI arbitration timing problem. This proposal suggests the ARBITRATION delay should be increased from 2200 to 2400 ns. This proposal was sent to the working group for consideration. 87-198 - Report from T.I. on miniature shielded connectors. 87-199 - Further clarification of the SYNCHRONOUS DATA TRANSFER REQUEST protocol. This proposal was remanded to the working group. 87-202 - This proposal suggests a wording change in the definition of the Maximum Burst Size field. This proposal was remanded to the working group. 87-203 - Proposal on a LOAD SKIP MASK command. This proposal from IBM would effect "gather" reads and "scatter" writes. Dave McIntyre suggested that if we accept adding yet another command to SCSI-2, we should generalize the proposed command further. 87-204 - This proposal suggests that BUS DEVICE RESET message should be added to the list of events that cause the MODE SELECT values to be returned to their "saved" values. The proposal was accepted for incorporation into SCSI-2 Rev 4. 87-205 - The proposal objects to changes made in Rev 3 of SCSI-2 to the residue returned for sequential-access devices operating in buffered mode 1h or 2h. More discussion among the "tape people" is needed to resolve this issue. 87-206 - This proposal would add more than eight device ID's on SCSI bus when using Wide SCSI. It was pointed out that if this proposal is adopted, a change is needed in the differential termination of the B cable data signals. 87-207 - This proposal suggests some pin-out changes that would improve the survivability of the B Cable is it is plugged in upside down or if single-ended drivers are mixed with differential drivers. This proposal was remanded to the working group. 87-208 and 87-209 - These two proposals describe how to do the "Write Same" function using SEND DIAGNOSTIC and RECEIVE DIAGNOSTIC RESULTS commands or as a new command, respectively. The proposals were remanded to the working group. 87-210 - This is the LMS first draft CD-ROM Proposal. This proposal addresses the LMS concerns with the Sony proposal. Jeff Stai, Larry Lamers, and Paul Boulay are attempting to resolve this issues. 87-211 - This document contains the results of the questionnaire on connector choices that was presented by David Hatch. 11.2 Agenda for San Jose Working Group 1. [] bracket removal 2. Proposed MODE SELECT Changes (87-167) [Houlder] 3. Fast SCSI [87-195] 4. Write Same [87-208, -209] 5. Flexible Disk Pin 1 Definition [87-115] 6. Rejection of mandatory messages -- Is it ever OK? 7. 3rd party RESERVE/RELEASE for copy management. 8. MODE SELECT handling (implemented options?) 9. Error Recovery Modifications [87-177 R1] (Spence) 10. SCSI Arbitration Timing [87-197] (Lohmeyer) 11. Clarification of SDTR Protocol [87-199] (Spence) 12. Maximum Burst Size wording [87-202] (Davies) 13. LOAD SKIP MASK command proposal [87-203] (Floryance) 14. Sequential Access residues [87-205] (Semenak) 15. More that 8 devices on wide SCSI [87-206] (Harms) 16. B Cable Pin Assignments [87-207] (Harms) 17. CD-ROM Proposals [87-106, -210] (Lamers, Boulay) 18. Long vs. Short BUSY [87-192] (Semenak) 19. SEND DIAGNOSTIC Pages [87-186] (Spence) 20. March Working Group Host/Location 11.3 SCSI-3 Project Proposal (SD-3) (X3T9.2/87-193) [Milligan] The draft project proposal needed some minor editorial editing. John Lohmeyer accepted an action item to clean up the few items that needed attention. By the time that this item was considered, there were not enough people remaining in the meeting in order to take a forwarding motion (even an unanimous vote would fail the 50 percent of the membership requirement). Therefore the forwarding motion was postponed until the February meeting. 11.4 BUSY issue (short vs. long?) [Semenak] Jim Semenak submitted document 87-192. This would provide an indication of how long the target expects to remain BUSY during a long BUSY situation. Jim agreed to do some wordsmithing on his proposal. The revised proposal was placed on the agenda for the next working group meeting. 11.5 Proposed SEND DIAGNOSTIC Pages (X3T9.2/87-186) [Spence] This proposal was remanded to the working group. 11.6 Bill Burr on FIPS (Federal Information Processing Standards) Bill Burr gave a presentation on FIPS and the proposed changes in the way the standards are developed. The FIPS are developed by NBS and approved by the Secretary of Commerce. Various Federal Agencies use these standards for procurement. The FIPS are usually based on voluntary standards. FIPS-60 is an exception, it is a for the IBM I/O channel interface for which there is no voluntary standard. FIPS-60 applies to systems of over $400k. NBS maintains an exclusion list of systems which can be procured without having FIPS-60 apply. NBS maintains a verification list of all equipment which meets FIPS-60. Bill Burr has developed a new proposal for interface standards on smaller computer systems. This is a very involved process. People interested in selling to the U.S. government should discuss the issues with Bill. 12. Review of Action Items 12.1 Larry Lamers will reword section 5 to clarify that the initiator cannot send multiple groups of messages during a single MESSAGE OUT phase. 12.2 Paul Boulay will review the archival vs. update issue for WORM optical media. 12.3 Bob Snively will investigate compatibility issues of non-queued targets with queued initiators. 12.4 Gary Stephens will propose revised wording in the retry counts and algorithms of REQUEST SENSE and MODE SELECT. 12.5 John Lohmeyer will revise the SCSI-3 Project Proposal [87-193]. 13. Meeting Schedule The next meeting of X3T9.2 will be February 22-23, 1988 at the Fountain Suite Hotel in Phoenix, AZ (602) 375-1777 hosted by Honeywell Bull. Please mention the "ANSI X3T9 meetings" when making reservations to receive the special room rate of $88.00 plus tax for single or double occupancy. The cut-off date for room reservations is January 20, 1988. The X3T9.2 plenary meeting schedule for 1988 is: February 22-23, 1988 Phoenix, AZ April 25-26, 1988 Tampa Bay, FL area June 20-21, 1988 San Francisco, CA August 15-16, 1988 Denver, CO October 10-11, 1988 Boston, MA [Note Date Change!] December 5-6, 1988 San Diego, CA Harlan Andrews of Apple Computer will make the next X3T9.2 mailing. The roster of future mailing volunteers is as follows: Name Company Date ---- ------- ------- John Klonick/ Maxtor Feb '88 Skip Jones John Lohmeyer NCR Apr '88 Chairman's note: X3T9 is hoping to have the new document distribution procedures in place in time for the February 1988 mailing (which actually occurs in March). 13.1 1988 General Working Groups Working Group and Ad hoc meetings are scheduled for: General SCSI-2 Working Group meeting January 6-8, 1988 Radisson Hotel San Jose 1471 North 4th Street San Jose, California 95112 (408) 298-0100 Please make reservations in the name of "ANSI". $75.00/night single or double. (Hosted by Adaptec and Quantum.) General SCSI-2 Working Group meeting March 7-9, 1988 Location and host to be determined. 14. Adjournment The meeting was adjorned at approximately 5:00 pm on Tuesday afternoon.